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    Post  anubisram Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:54 pm

    Currently reading and trying to digest Dr Kevin Novak's - Anoxic Filtration document
    Has anyone read this and understood if so what are your thoughts
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    Post  chr1ssy Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:00 pm

    No sorry not read it dont think I have even seen it anywhere, were can it be found ?
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    Post  anubisram Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:03 pm

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    Post  chr1ssy Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:31 pm

    Interesting stuff although I dont think it has a place in UK koi ponds, just like block built filters you need the extra space. A combination of the old style gravel filter and a veggie filter. Maybe has a place in garden ponds. Koi pond filters mostly now use air to prevent anoxic filters and have a much smaller footprint beacuse of this.
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    Post  anubisram Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:38 pm

    but we still need an effective way of removing nitrate
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    Post  chr1ssy Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:52 pm

    Do we I dont even test for Nitrate LOL Doesnt cleaning the filter and water changes take care of that ?
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    Post  anubisram Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:05 pm

    no... your tap water has a nitrate reading - if your filtration is correct then you will be producing nitrate as a by prodauct plus feed increases the phosphate and nitrate result.
    nitrate has been linked to growth issues
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    Post  chr1ssy Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:18 pm

    Its not something I have paid much attention to as my supply water has a low nitrate reading and my koi dont suffer from growth problems. Never checked for phosphates do you ? Maybe my setup and dwell time unlike nexus bubblebeads and such which whizz the flow through helps as I have never had an ammonia reading or nitrite either.

    I do have TDS readings though, Tap supply is 120 Pond reading is 150 would this be high if I had a Nitrate problem ?
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    Post  anubisram Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:21 am

    nitrate will effect your TDS readings - the other damaging effect of nitrate is here
    Nearly 14 years ago, Takayuki Izeki, writing on behalf of the ZNA
    research division, shared his observations of the effect of nitrate on
    the white ground of Kohaku. He urged that the maximum concentration of
    nitrate be 15 ppm, stating: "anything more than this and the skin
    gradually begins to deteriorate, improving again as the concentration
    lessens." He recommended that if nitrate can be kept at 5 ppm or less,
    "the skin becomes so white it virtually shines". He ascribed the
    negative effect of nitrate on (1) reduced ability to discharge
    metabolic toxins from the body, resulting in build up of metabolic
    wastes in the skin, and (2) on the pond water becoming less receptive
    to dissolution of atmospheric oxygen into the water. He expressed the
    view that nitrate levels above 10 ppm adversely affect oxygen
    dissolving into the water column such that saturation levels at given
    temperatures cannot be readily maintained.
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    Post  chr1ssy Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:39 am

    Thanks for that info Richard, are you going to give this idea a go on your new pond build ?
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    Post  anubisram Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:53 pm

    Haven't really got the space for it...plus does not look like my new pond revamp will be happening - another room needs adding to the house first - so doesn't look like I will have the funding - it looks as if I will have to do a koi giveaway this year Sad
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    Post  chr1ssy Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:14 pm

    Will you still be keeping a pond and some of your koi ?

    I think just adding clay and replenish will do the same job.
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    Post  anubisram Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:29 pm

    Yes will keep the temp pond and a few fish - mainly the ones I am growing on
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    Post  john shabs Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:08 am

    sorry to resurect an old thread

    i put 6 biocensis baskets in my veggie filter in march this year.

    can't really comment whether they are a placebo or not but......i don't EVER have a nitrate reading, even going through NPS and the plants in the veggie filter (planted in baskets with just gravel- not in the biocensis baskets) have struggled to establish themselves...now whether this is down to them being planted in gravel only and having to take any nitrates from the water or whether its due to the biocensis baskets starving them of the necessary nitrates.....

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